Comments on: How it was undone http://www.steveaddison.net/2005/07/07/how-it-was-undone.html Steve Addison's blog about movements for the renewal and expansion of the church. Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:45:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: » Pentecostalism must face the challenge of it’s own successSteve Addison’s blog » World Changers http://www.steveaddison.net/2005/07/07/how-it-was-undone.html#comment-90 » Pentecostalism must face the challenge of it’s own successSteve Addison’s blog » World Changers Mon, 18 Jul 2005 02:22:54 +0000 http://www.steveaddison.net/?p=66#comment-90 [...] Click here for how the early church navigated these challenges. [...] [...] Click here for how the early church navigated these challenges. [...]

]]> By: Steve http://www.steveaddison.net/2005/07/07/how-it-was-undone.html#comment-71 Steve Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:18:03 +0000 http://www.steveaddison.net/?p=66#comment-71 Christop, out of my depth regarding Mithras. I'm sure Constantine experienced Christianity through a pagan mindset. Christop, out of my depth regarding Mithras. I’m sure Constantine experienced Christianity through a pagan mindset.

]]> By: Christop http://www.steveaddison.net/2005/07/07/how-it-was-undone.html#comment-70 Christop Sat, 09 Jul 2005 06:06:54 +0000 http://www.steveaddison.net/?p=66#comment-70 Where you mentioned Constantine's vision of the cross and the Sun, it reminded me of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithraism" rel="nofollow">Mithraism</a>, since Mithras was a Sun-god, the religion was particularly popular in the Roman military and it has a lot of similarities with Christianity. Do you think Constantine could have been a Mithraist? Where you mentioned Constantine’s vision of the cross and the Sun, it reminded me of Mithraism, since Mithras was a Sun-god, the religion was particularly popular in the Roman military and it has a lot of similarities with Christianity. Do you think Constantine could have been a Mithraist?

]]> By: Steve http://www.steveaddison.net/2005/07/07/how-it-was-undone.html#comment-69 Steve Thu, 07 Jul 2005 23:37:24 +0000 http://www.steveaddison.net/?p=66#comment-69 Andrew. Sorry we missed each other at the Summit. I think moving on should be a health driven rather than date driven issue. The key is the development of a healthy body of believers with local leaders. Interestingly Paul's definition of healthy enough to leave included churches that later got themselves into serious trouble and needed his re-intervention. That brings us to the issue of different callings. Paul was a catalytic church planter. No way you could pin him down for 5-10 years. If you can stay in one place that long you're probably more of a pastoral leader. Unless you use it as a base to raise up and send out others. But there is one wiser than I who you benefit from. Neil Cole is one of the best practitioners I know for multiplying groups that are making disciples. Check out his site at http://www.cmaresources.org/ Steve Andrew. Sorry we missed each other at the Summit. I think moving on should be a health driven rather than date driven issue. The key is the development of a healthy body of believers with local leaders. Interestingly Paul’s definition of healthy enough to leave included churches that later got themselves into serious trouble and needed his re-intervention.

That brings us to the issue of different callings. Paul was a catalytic church planter. No way you could pin him down for 5-10 years. If you can stay in one place that long you’re probably more of a pastoral leader. Unless you use it as a base to raise up and send out others.

But there is one wiser than I who you benefit from. Neil Cole is one of the best practitioners I know for multiplying groups that are making disciples. Check out his site at http://www.cmaresources.org/

Steve

]]> By: hamo http://www.steveaddison.net/2005/07/07/how-it-was-undone.html#comment-68 hamo Thu, 07 Jul 2005 23:11:25 +0000 http://www.steveaddison.net/?p=66#comment-68 G'day Steve I was hoping to catch up with you on the weekend at the Summit, but you were teaching at the same time I was... and I have no idea what you look like! I have a question relating to apostolic leadership and comparing the way we establish churches with the way Paul did it. As we moved into brighton we came with a notional 3-5 year start up time frame in mind before handing on to someone else and go start something else. Recently I said to a friend that 5-10 years feels more appropriate at the moment - if we ever move on... From there my mind wandered back to Paul who stayed such short times and to Roland Allan's comments re 'control' killing movements and I am now puzzled. Was paul's frequent movement a function of his context? Do we 'need' to spend more time establishing in this period of time? What are the best indicators that our work is done? Feel free to drop me an email and I will give you a phone call if that'd be easier Regards Andrew G’day Steve

I was hoping to catch up with you on the weekend at the Summit, but you were teaching at the same time I was… and I have no idea what you look like!

I have a question relating to apostolic leadership and comparing the way we establish churches with the way Paul did it.

As we moved into brighton we came with a notional 3-5 year start up time frame in mind before handing on to someone else and go start something else. Recently I said to a friend that 5-10 years feels more appropriate at the moment – if we ever move on… From there my mind wandered back to Paul who stayed such short times and to Roland Allan’s comments re ‘control’ killing movements and I am now puzzled.

Was paul’s frequent movement a function of his context?
Do we ‘need’ to spend more time establishing in this period of time?
What are the best indicators that our work is done?

Feel free to drop me an email and I will give you a phone call if that’d be easier

Regards

Andrew

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