Comments on: The ins and outs of the Emerging church http://www.steveaddison.net/2006/03/22/the-ins-and-outs-of-the-emerging-church.html Steve Addison's blog about movements for the renewal and expansion of the church. Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:20:08 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: » Anthony’s emerging questionsSteve Addison’s blog » World Changers http://www.steveaddison.net/2006/03/22/the-ins-and-outs-of-the-emerging-church.html#comment-833 » Anthony’s emerging questionsSteve Addison’s blog » World Changers Mon, 08 May 2006 02:05:27 +0000 http://www.steveaddison.net/2007/03/22/the-ins-and-outs-of-the-emerging-church.html#comment-833 [...] I keep coming back to Anthony’s questions on the Emerging church. Waiting for the time to give them justice. Sometimes the best responses are the most candid. So here goes. [...] [...] I keep coming back to Anthony’s questions on the Emerging church. Waiting for the time to give them justice. Sometimes the best responses are the most candid. So here goes. [...]

]]> By: Emerging mission » Steve Addison’s blog » World Changers http://www.steveaddison.net/2006/03/22/the-ins-and-outs-of-the-emerging-church.html#comment-475 Emerging mission » Steve Addison’s blog » World Changers Wed, 29 Mar 2006 23:09:34 +0000 http://www.steveaddison.net/2007/03/22/the-ins-and-outs-of-the-emerging-church.html#comment-475 [...] As promised a few thoughts in response to the snapshot of the Emerging Church provided by Eddie Gibbs and Ryan Bolger. [...] [...] As promised a few thoughts in response to the snapshot of the Emerging Church provided by Eddie Gibbs and Ryan Bolger. [...]

]]> By: approachthebench.org » Blog Archive » Week #4 http://www.steveaddison.net/2006/03/22/the-ins-and-outs-of-the-emerging-church.html#comment-468 approachthebench.org » Blog Archive » Week #4 Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:44:53 +0000 http://www.steveaddison.net/2007/03/22/the-ins-and-outs-of-the-emerging-church.html#comment-468 [...] The Ins and Outs of the Emerging Church [...] [...] The Ins and Outs of the Emerging Church [...]

]]> By: Andrew http://www.steveaddison.net/2006/03/22/the-ins-and-outs-of-the-emerging-church.html#comment-453 Andrew Sat, 25 Mar 2006 02:25:10 +0000 http://www.steveaddison.net/2007/03/22/the-ins-and-outs-of-the-emerging-church.html#comment-453 Yeah, I think I know where you were coming from and the way I see it the two must be connected (especially if one is to be Trinitarian). It is when one or the other is left off that we drift from Biblical aims and meanings. And I mean that just as much for dry theology taught in a seminary as for goal setting in the field. Yeah, I think I know where you were coming from and the way I see it the two must be connected (especially if one is to be Trinitarian). It is when one or the other is left off that we drift from Biblical aims and meanings. And I mean that just as much for dry theology taught in a seminary as for goal setting in the field.

]]> By: ant http://www.steveaddison.net/2006/03/22/the-ins-and-outs-of-the-emerging-church.html#comment-448 ant Fri, 24 Mar 2006 07:06:19 +0000 http://www.steveaddison.net/2007/03/22/the-ins-and-outs-of-the-emerging-church.html#comment-448 Hi Andrew, I wasn't trying to seperate theology and mission. Your right about how the two are linked. I used the phrase 'missions (plural) and movements' not the word mission (singular). I was using them almost as synonyms. Sorry if any imprecision caused confusion. Hi Andrew, I wasn’t trying to seperate theology and mission. Your right about how the two are linked. I used the phrase ‘missions (plural) and movements’ not the word mission (singular). I was using them almost as synonyms. Sorry if any imprecision caused confusion.

]]> By: Andrew http://www.steveaddison.net/2006/03/22/the-ins-and-outs-of-the-emerging-church.html#comment-445 Andrew Thu, 23 Mar 2006 23:13:30 +0000 http://www.steveaddison.net/2007/03/22/the-ins-and-outs-of-the-emerging-church.html#comment-445 Ant, just how do you seperate theology and mission? I'd suggest that you can't have one without the other. Ant, just how do you seperate theology and mission? I’d suggest that you can’t have one without the other.

]]> By: Back to the Emerging church » Steve Addison’s blog » World Changers http://www.steveaddison.net/2006/03/22/the-ins-and-outs-of-the-emerging-church.html#comment-443 Back to the Emerging church » Steve Addison’s blog » World Changers Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:44:16 +0000 http://www.steveaddison.net/2007/03/22/the-ins-and-outs-of-the-emerging-church.html#comment-443 [...] Back to the Emerging church » The ins and outs of the Emerging church [...] [...] Back to the Emerging church » The ins and outs of the Emerging church [...]

]]> By: Steve http://www.steveaddison.net/2006/03/22/the-ins-and-outs-of-the-emerging-church.html#comment-441 Steve Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:18:55 +0000 http://www.steveaddison.net/2007/03/22/the-ins-and-outs-of-the-emerging-church.html#comment-441 Ant Some important questions you've raised. Wanted you to know I will address them. Hoping to do some reflecting over the next few days and post something early next week. This blog seems to be forcing me to clarify my thinking. It's much easier when you're dealing with historical case studies than real live flesh and blood. But its a challenge worth facing. Ant

Some important questions you’ve raised. Wanted you to know I will address them. Hoping to do some reflecting over the next few days and post something early next week. This blog seems to be forcing me to clarify my thinking. It’s much easier when you’re dealing with historical case studies than real live flesh and blood. But its a challenge worth facing.

]]> By: ant http://www.steveaddison.net/2006/03/22/the-ins-and-outs-of-the-emerging-church.html#comment-440 ant Thu, 23 Mar 2006 07:21:19 +0000 http://www.steveaddison.net/2007/03/22/the-ins-and-outs-of-the-emerging-church.html#comment-440 Steve, I think its important that you give your reactions to the ECM from a movement and missions perspective. Others have tended to do so from a theological perspective. But ECM words and 'conversations' have influence, impact and fruit. Some of it is good but some of it seems a little 'rotten'. The rotten fruit needs to be identifed and discarded. I sense a reluctance to do so or an inability to identify from the ECM itself. Maybe because they feel attacked? Emerging church spokespeople (like the rest of us) are quite sensitive to criticism even though they do seem to give out a healthy amount of it - usually toward fundamentalism and evangelicalism of course. Questions I'm asking: -Am I right to say that there seems to be a disproporitional amount of interest or concern in the ECM? Why should we be so interested in it? -Why does a little group (sometimes as little as 20 people in some EC's) recieve such focus when they have borne relatively little fruit? Shouldn't we treat them more in keeping with their size and accomplishments? -There is a fair amount of experimentation, most of it is destined to fail. Some valuable stuff will come through - but who and how can one pick it currently? -Are EC's really solving or moving forward beyond the problems of evangelicalism or are they creating a new set of problems? -I am yet to see substantial similarities between ECM and the truly great movements of the past and present like the Wesleyan revivals or the various church planting movements in China. What are the movements of the past that ECM most resembles? Steve, I think its important that you give your reactions to the ECM from a movement and missions perspective. Others have tended to do so from a theological perspective. But ECM words and ‘conversations’ have influence, impact and fruit. Some of it is good but some of it seems a little ‘rotten’. The rotten fruit needs to be identifed and discarded. I sense a reluctance to do so or an inability to identify from the ECM itself. Maybe because they feel attacked? Emerging church spokespeople (like the rest of us) are quite sensitive to criticism even though they do seem to give out a healthy amount of it – usually toward fundamentalism and evangelicalism of course.

Questions I’m asking:
-Am I right to say that there seems to be a disproporitional amount of interest or concern in the ECM? Why should we be so interested in it?
-Why does a little group (sometimes as little as 20 people in some EC’s) recieve such focus when they have borne relatively little fruit? Shouldn’t we treat them more in keeping with their size and accomplishments?
-There is a fair amount of experimentation, most of it is destined to fail. Some valuable stuff will come through – but who and how can one pick it currently?
-Are EC’s really solving or moving forward beyond the problems of evangelicalism or are they creating a new set of problems?
-I am yet to see substantial similarities between ECM and the truly great movements of the past and present like the Wesleyan revivals or the various church planting movements in China. What are the movements of the past that ECM most resembles?

]]> By: Andrew http://www.steveaddison.net/2006/03/22/the-ins-and-outs-of-the-emerging-church.html#comment-439 Andrew Thu, 23 Mar 2006 07:03:37 +0000 http://www.steveaddison.net/2007/03/22/the-ins-and-outs-of-the-emerging-church.html#comment-439 Steve, I think your comments are a litte too reactive and trying to distill a very complex missiological, theological and sociological thing into black and white. You can't. But it isn't all bad. Despite some of the danger signs there are wonderful stories from these new communities and genuine signs of emergence. This is the very thing that you often say occurs in a new movement. I recommend Alan Roxburgh's new book, The sky is falling: Leader's Lost in Transition as a good guide for what is happening and how both sides of the polarity can help each other. Also, I think the last point is quite clear. It is critiquing the deep effects of modernity in the way that we have communicated the Bible and seeking to get back to the narrative. Andrew Steve,

I think your comments are a litte too reactive and trying to distill a very complex missiological, theological and sociological thing into black and white. You can’t. But it isn’t all bad. Despite some of the danger signs there are wonderful stories from these new communities and genuine signs of emergence. This is the very thing that you often say occurs in a new movement.

I recommend Alan Roxburgh’s new book, The sky is falling: Leader’s Lost in Transition as a good guide for what is happening and how both sides of the polarity can help each other.

Also, I think the last point is quite clear. It is critiquing the deep effects of modernity in the way that we have communicated the Bible and seeking to get back to the narrative.

Andrew

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