Comments on: Why church planters shouldn’t http://www.steveaddison.net/2006/12/01/why-church-planters-shouldnt.html Steve Addison's blog about movements for the renewal and expansion of the church. Sat, 10 Jan 2009 01:01:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Alan Hirsch http://www.steveaddison.net/2006/12/01/why-church-planters-shouldnt.html#comment-9130 Alan Hirsch Tue, 05 Dec 2006 10:15:06 +0000 http://www.steveaddison.net/2007/11/27/why-church-planters-shouldnt.html#comment-9130 nope, I just distrust things that are too formulaic. nope, I just distrust things that are too formulaic.

]]> By: Steve http://www.steveaddison.net/2006/12/01/why-church-planters-shouldnt.html#comment-9019 Steve Tue, 05 Dec 2006 00:45:58 +0000 http://www.steveaddison.net/2007/11/27/why-church-planters-shouldnt.html#comment-9019 Al, is that a hard and fast formula? Al, is that a hard and fast formula?

]]> By: Alan Hirsch http://www.steveaddison.net/2006/12/01/why-church-planters-shouldnt.html#comment-9018 Alan Hirsch Tue, 05 Dec 2006 00:37:12 +0000 http://www.steveaddison.net/2007/11/27/why-church-planters-shouldnt.html#comment-9018 Actually I totally agree with you, I am just being contrary. Ancient Jewish habit! :-) I suppose I have an aversion to hard and fast formulas. The world does not work like that. Actually I totally agree with you, I am just being contrary. Ancient Jewish habit! :-) I suppose I have an aversion to hard and fast formulas. The world does not work like that.

]]> By: Alan Hirsch http://www.steveaddison.net/2006/12/01/why-church-planters-shouldnt.html#comment-9017 Alan Hirsch Tue, 05 Dec 2006 00:36:43 +0000 http://www.steveaddison.net/2007/11/27/why-church-planters-shouldnt.html#comment-9017 Actually I totally agree with you, I am just being contrary. Ancient Jewish habit! :-) I suppose I have an eversion to hard and fast formulas. The world does not work like that. Actually I totally agree with you, I am just being contrary. Ancient Jewish habit! :-) I suppose I have an eversion to hard and fast formulas. The world does not work like that.

]]> By: Steve http://www.steveaddison.net/2006/12/01/why-church-planters-shouldnt.html#comment-8922 Steve Mon, 04 Dec 2006 02:16:01 +0000 http://www.steveaddison.net/2007/11/27/why-church-planters-shouldnt.html#comment-8922 Al, how did you get to be an acclaimed author? If I write balanced, qualified statements no-one will read them! Yes it is both. But I think the balance is way too much in favour of the church planter who stays as a pastor rather than become the catalyst for a movement. That's true for "traditional" models of church planting and for current emerging-missional practice. Perhaps with the exception of Neil Cole. Paul was a pioneering movement leader, not a local pastor. He raised up others to lead the churches he planted. Al, how did you get to be an acclaimed author? If I write balanced, qualified statements no-one will read them!

Yes it is both. But I think the balance is way too much in favour of the church planter who stays as a pastor rather than become the catalyst for a movement. That’s true for “traditional” models of church planting and for current emerging-missional practice. Perhaps with the exception of Neil Cole.

Paul was a pioneering movement leader, not a local pastor. He raised up others to lead the churches he planted.

]]> By: Alan Hirsch http://www.steveaddison.net/2006/12/01/why-church-planters-shouldnt.html#comment-8916 Alan Hirsch Mon, 04 Dec 2006 00:06:08 +0000 http://www.steveaddison.net/2007/11/27/why-church-planters-shouldnt.html#comment-8916 Now you're talking Steve! Christendom effectively professionalized the ministry and created mass dependency (excuse the pun) in the process. But I'm not sure if the line between church planter and pastor is always so tight. Sometimes it might happen that the church planter becomes the pastor. It cannot be so formulaic surely? Now you’re talking Steve! Christendom effectively professionalized the ministry and created mass dependency (excuse the pun) in the process. But I’m not sure if the line between church planter and pastor is always so tight. Sometimes it might happen that the church planter becomes the pastor. It cannot be so formulaic surely?

]]> By: Sam http://www.steveaddison.net/2006/12/01/why-church-planters-shouldnt.html#comment-8633 Sam Sat, 02 Dec 2006 03:32:27 +0000 http://www.steveaddison.net/2007/11/27/why-church-planters-shouldnt.html#comment-8633 Good stuff, Steve. It seems to me the real crux of the issue lies in the truncated ecclesiology that fails to understand or legitimize the church in its missionary, apostolic form, ie, the "two structures" that Winter so aptly articulates. We also know, from most of the research, that when anyone goes into a cross-cultural context and "plants" a church, such a strategy is much less effective than going into the same context and training, developing and empowering a cultural insider (or insiders) to give leadership to the movement. Good stuff, Steve.

It seems to me the real crux of the issue lies in the truncated ecclesiology that fails to understand or legitimize the church in its missionary, apostolic form, ie, the “two structures” that Winter so aptly articulates.

We also know, from most of the research, that when anyone goes into a cross-cultural context and “plants” a church, such a strategy is much less effective than going into the same context and training, developing and empowering a cultural insider (or insiders) to give leadership to the movement.

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