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	<title>Comments on: Church planting effectiveness</title>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://www.steveaddison.net/2007/08/07/church-planting-effectiveness.html#comment-71838</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Steve,
This article is excellent - and I'm so impressed with your site that I'm adding it both to my personal blog roll (writerstravail.blogspot.com), and to the official website of my office (the Centre for Secular &#38; Postmodern Studies) as a suggested resource. Thanks for sharing such informative and well-selected material!

Sarah</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Steve,<br />
This article is excellent &#8211; and I&#8217;m so impressed with your site that I&#8217;m adding it both to my personal blog roll (writerstravail.blogspot.com), and to the official website of my office (the Centre for Secular &#038; Postmodern Studies) as a suggested resource. Thanks for sharing such informative and well-selected material!</p>
<p>Sarah</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://www.steveaddison.net/2007/08/07/church-planting-effectiveness.html#comment-71378</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Missionaries have their own social order ranking - who's on top, who's not, who gets listened to, and who doesn't. It's based on language fluency. The more fluent you are in the local language more higher your social standing among missionaries, or rather, you can't rise high without fluency. It's really arrogant in many places. 

You mentioned one finding: "Workers who are fluent in the local language consistently scored among the highest in the research." That would seem to confirm the missionary pecking order. But does it? If you look back at the original study he also points out that using translation has neither a positive or negative effect on effectiveness. Meaning: someone using translation isn't necessarily less effective than the person who is fluent (presumably because a translator is fluently communicating).

"Heresy!" Some will cry. 

But as the study points out there are many other factors that have contribute to effectiveness. Doing those with translation are certainly more effective then not doing them while speaking the local language. 

Case in point: I worked in Japan for 8 years, struggled to learn the language, preached, carried on friendships - all in Japanese. All the while, I kept hearing about Meeko-sensei the American missionary in the 1950's who was so effective, unlike us in the 1990's. One day I saw a photo of Joseph Meeko preaching and saw a Japanese woman standing next to him. I asked who she was. "She was his translator." What! I thought. Yep, Meeko used a translator all 10 years of his ministry in Japan and saw more happen in that time then my whole team of 7 families did over an equal period of time. Obviously, the times and receptivity were different. But the point remains that Meeko was effective even WITH translation.

I'm not against learning the local language, I've learned two, but it's not the end all of effectiveness. And I wish missionaries would get that into their heads and quit beating each other over the head with a lack of language fluency. Personally, I see other effectiveness factors as more important, such as hanging out with local people, creating local-language worship, coaching, verbally sharing the Gospel, putting time into local people (rather than a job or huge family needs, like home-schooling), having a reproducible strategy, and ministering with a like-minded team.

Ahh, I feel better. Thank for letting me rant for a bit.

Keith</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Missionaries have their own social order ranking &#8211; who&#8217;s on top, who&#8217;s not, who gets listened to, and who doesn&#8217;t. It&#8217;s based on language fluency. The more fluent you are in the local language more higher your social standing among missionaries, or rather, you can&#8217;t rise high without fluency. It&#8217;s really arrogant in many places.</p>
<p>You mentioned one finding: &#8220;Workers who are fluent in the local language consistently scored among the highest in the research.&#8221; That would seem to confirm the missionary pecking order. But does it? If you look back at the original study he also points out that using translation has neither a positive or negative effect on effectiveness. Meaning: someone using translation isn&#8217;t necessarily less effective than the person who is fluent (presumably because a translator is fluently communicating).</p>
<p>&#8220;Heresy!&#8221; Some will cry.</p>
<p>But as the study points out there are many other factors that have contribute to effectiveness. Doing those with translation are certainly more effective then not doing them while speaking the local language.</p>
<p>Case in point: I worked in Japan for 8 years, struggled to learn the language, preached, carried on friendships &#8211; all in Japanese. All the while, I kept hearing about Meeko-sensei the American missionary in the 1950&#8217;s who was so effective, unlike us in the 1990&#8217;s. One day I saw a photo of Joseph Meeko preaching and saw a Japanese woman standing next to him. I asked who she was. &#8220;She was his translator.&#8221; What! I thought. Yep, Meeko used a translator all 10 years of his ministry in Japan and saw more happen in that time then my whole team of 7 families did over an equal period of time. Obviously, the times and receptivity were different. But the point remains that Meeko was effective even <span class="caps">WITH</span> translation.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not against learning the local language, I&#8217;ve learned two, but it&#8217;s not the end all of effectiveness. And I wish missionaries would get that into their heads and quit beating each other over the head with a lack of language fluency. Personally, I see other effectiveness factors as more important, such as hanging out with local people, creating local-language worship, coaching, verbally sharing the Gospel, putting time into local people (rather than a job or huge family needs, like home-schooling), having a reproducible strategy, and ministering with a like-minded team.</p>
<p>Ahh, I feel better. Thank for letting me rant for a bit.</p>
<p>Keith</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://www.steveaddison.net/2007/08/07/church-planting-effectiveness.html#comment-71376</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, thanks for rooting out this article out of the millions on the Internet. 

If we just took these findings to heart and made some changes according to them we'd be all that much more effective. It's not rocket science: spend time with locals, verbally share the Gospel, don't spend all your time working at your job, get your family in order first, have a coach, read your Bible, etc. 

Keith</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, thanks for rooting out this article out of the millions on the Internet.</p>
<p>If we just took these findings to heart and made some changes according to them we&#8217;d be all that much more effective. It&#8217;s not rocket science: spend time with locals, verbally share the Gospel, don&#8217;t spend all your time working at your job, get your family in order first, have a coach, read your Bible, etc.</p>
<p>Keith</p>
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		<title>By: choosethecross.com Â» Serving Effectively</title>
		<link>http://www.steveaddison.net/2007/08/07/church-planting-effectiveness.html#comment-71177</link>
		<dc:creator>choosethecross.com Â» Serving Effectively</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 22:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Steve Addison has provided an interesting post on factors which affect the effectiveness of people engaged in certain types of cross-cultural Christian mission, based on research conducted by Patrick. Numerous different factors were listed, and many of them may be equally applicable to the effectiveness of anyone trying to live a life fully committed to following Jesus. Some of the research findings included: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Steve Addison has provided an interesting post on factors which affect the effectiveness of people engaged in certain types of cross-cultural Christian mission, based on research conducted by Patrick. Numerous different factors were listed, and many of them may be equally applicable to the effectiveness of anyone trying to live a life fully committed to following Jesus. Some of the research findings included: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: shaw</title>
		<link>http://www.steveaddison.net/2007/08/07/church-planting-effectiveness.html#comment-71066</link>
		<dc:creator>shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 07:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice. Thanks for the summary! Keep this good stuff coming!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice. Thanks for the summary! Keep this good stuff coming!</p>
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